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Who's Losing Most Desktops to Linux, Apple or Microsoft?

Who's Losing Most Desktops to Linux, Apple or Microsoft?

The experts do not agree.

One says that Mac has roughly 3% of the desktop market, and that the Linux share is considerably lower than that. Meantime another maintains that Linux already captured the No. 2 spot in 2003. The magazine Wired, on the other hand, reports this month that, in the desktop market, "Mac Keeps Lead on Linux."

Who is right? Do the advances Linux has recently made in making itself more consumer friendly mean it can now compete directly with the Mac OS or Windows on the desktop? Can Linux unseat Mac OS as the number 2 desktop OS in the US, Europe, Australia, and Japan, and if so when?

IDC analyst Dan Kusnetzky apparently predicts that Linux will have 6% of the desktop market by 2007 - whatever the precise figure, Wired thinks that it is "Microsoft, not Apple, who is losing desktops to Linux."

Outside of the US, Europe, Australia, and Japan the story may be somewhat different. In the developing world, experts believe that Linux will become the number 2 platform, and that over time it will knock Windows from the number 1 position altogether.

Mind you, while Linux may be free, there are an awful lot of pirated copies of Windows out East, so it may take more years than anyone realizes. As one commentator at The Mac Observer bluntly expresses it, Microsoft "would rather have a pirated version of Windows being used in China, Vietnam, or Columbia than...a free copy of Linux."

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ComTIA_US_MCSE_Student 08/28/04 10:04:51 PM EDT

Why is it that just about every computer forum concurring MS and Apple turns into childish battle ground? Isn't the idea to expand our horizons and become better human beings? Linux was invented to be an improvement of MINIX(Mini Unix), not discredit Apple or Microsoft. One of the biggest reasons Linux is so successful is the fact that it doesn't discriminate against platforms or OSs. I am speaking figuratively of course, because Linux can not truly discriminate anything.

Linux is available on the Spark platform, PPC, m68k, MIPS, ARM, s390 mainframe, x86, AMD64, Itanium, and many others. Linux is also set up for multi-booting, bootloaders such as GRUB and LILO are great examples of this. Not to mention the fact that it is Open Source, which means any one who uses it can modify it to their needs.

Now, I do not pretend to be a know it all. However, I do know enough to realize that Linux is not about debunking anybody else's opinions. As I have said before, Linux is about expanding our horizons, and providing a reliable alternative; "thinking different".

This is a big reason to give Apple respect; they are an alternative. Sure MacOS is platform sepecific, but so is Windows. About the hardware, if I were to build a dual CPU Intel Pentium IV Computer with high end spechs, I would be paying just as much as I would for a G5. If any of you want the proof, I'll build one for you.

So, instead of arguing over trivia, let's be happy that Linux is succeeding. It's an alternative, if you don't like it, that's fine, don't use it. The same could be said about Windows and MacOS. Getting in *issing contests about who's OS is better, doesn't get us anywhere. It's time for us all to grow up and start acting like adults.

MacDuff 08/28/04 05:53:24 PM EDT

Hmmm... seems I got the last word in about Final Cut Pro and macs in film/TV :-P

Well, just to be sure about it, an article interviewing LA industry folks at the American Film institute about the Mac platform:

http://www.macnewsworld.com/story/34920.html

MacDuff 08/25/04 01:42:45 AM EDT

"So there you go-straight from one horses mouth"

Interesting. Okay. "Liar", huh? Twisting someone's words is also lying, and YOU certainly did that.

I'm a composer in Toronto, the post-production center for Canada, scoring series television. I don't know what "big city" you're in, but that's where I am. And I know what I see. But first, to your slanderous twisting of my words.

I DID NOT SAY that FINAL CUT PRO is "the standard"; I said that MACS are the standard. Certainly PCs are used in post production, as are UNIX and LINUX systems and sure AVID is still in there big. But as a whole, there are more Macs in use than PCs -- WAY more. And there's a trend turning towards FCP. I don't know if there are more AVID systems or FCP out there. Probably AVID, but there are also a lot of FCP. A video producer friend of mine (mostly unglanmourous corporate and instructional) is a Windows user, and he says now that “it’s everywhere” that at least he sees, personally. Of course, does ‘everywhere” mean EVERYWHERE? No. It’s a manner of speech. Now, somehow I don;t think you meant a generality whn you said, “every single production house is firmly on the PC”. But you trying to make it look that way is absolutely rediculous.

Also, Macs (NOT singularly FCP) are big in post-audo. EVERY post-audio facility I've been in use ProTools on Macs. I don't think I have ever seen ProTools running on Windows. Maybe it's in smaller facilities, but I haven't seen them.

As for NLE, Avid and some PC systems are certainly being used. But the ratio?? Windows aint King there. And, it is NOT just wannabes using FCP. Did the wannabe nothing video guys give an Emmy to Apple for FCP? Don't think so ( http://www.macobserver.com/article/2002/08/21.4.shtml ). But hey; what do those losers at CNN know, too? ( http://www.macobserver.com/article/2001/01/18.7.shtml ), or any of the following:

NBC primetime show, "Scrubs" done on FCP:
http://www.editorsguild.com/newsletter/NovDec03/novdec03_scrubs_fcp4.html

BBC show cut on FCP:
http://www.apple.com/uk/pro/video/groundforce/

BBC themselves adopting FCP into their systems:
http://www.macnn.com/news/24289

Television stations:
http://www.apple.com/pro/video/ktvx/

CBS MOW done on FCP:
http://www.editorsguild.com/newsletter/MarApr01/final_cut_mainstream.html

There’s more, but I’ve done enough heavy lifting to hopefully cause the readers here to question the validity of your ridiculous comments. “the only people using final cut pro are the people who place ads in the local paper and edit video at home and try to sell their half assed services, moreover every single production house here is firmly on the PC.”

BALONEY! I don’t care where you are, there’s no way that “every single production house is firmly on the PC”, and there are WAY more than wannabes using FCP.

Mc Duff is a liar 08/24/04 07:26:33 PM EDT

Final cut pro becoming a "standard" in the industry?? Another typical mac evangelist lie and joke- when apple comes out with a product that their moron users like they immediately assume that the 'whole' industry is using it- nothing could be farther from the truth- here where i live(read capital city)- not one single multimedia production house uses final cut pro- they actually use AVIDS $100,000 production suite(which is actually out for the mac- but performs much slower on the mac), the only people using final cut pro are the people who place ads in the local paper and edit video at home and try to sell their half assed services, moreover every single production house here is firmly on the PC-you occasionally see a dedicated SGI editing box or a casablanca- but never ever a mac-there are even moves afield to move to cinelarra in one production house because of low cost. we even have a extremely high end(high price) music production studio here called Q studio which do not touch macs -they use pyramix on the PC. There is even a multimedia school here with a state of the art motion detectors that plug onto a human body which is used for research by military, university and game programmers- what is it powered by -PC.What does the multimedia school use?Not a single mac on campus-why?no pro graphics cards and their machines are too weak for 3d(they evaluated a dual g5 2.0ghz but laughed it off due to dismal perfromance and the fact that you couldn't get 3d studio max-even linux can run studio max under emulation). I actually asked one production house why they don't use 'the industry standard final cut pro"- the response
"we don't use it because it isn't a standard and macs aren't really in use apart from the graphic houses(photoshop) who have decided to branch out into digital video production to supplement profits and don't want to replace their macs with windows pc's- besides our company refuses to look at macs because the upgrade costs when a machine becomes obsolete are prohibitive and entail buying a whole new machine whereas with a pc they are much more flexible- a p100 can easily be upgraded to a 64 bit athlon fx-53 or opteron- try upgrading a mac g3/g4 to a g5-you can't-g5 motherboards for example aren't even available. Even if we used macs it would be suicide- one optical drive bay does not make a good video production machine"
So there you go-straight from one horses mouth.
Why do you think the g5 has been selling as badly as the last generation of g4's- people know and see another lame machine from apple(the last g4's sold incredibly poorly, and the g5 is going the same way- but apple won't tell you that)

umlungu 08/24/04 06:50:09 AM EDT

A killer app is all that is needed. Excel & Powerpoint did it for Windoze , Final Cut & Itunes has it for OSX. Consumer electronics will do it for Linux. I Expect to see more DVR's & general purpose media players, as well as mobile phones running Linux. However, I have used all three platforms in anger for media production and Linux (on a Dell) is by far the fastest and most stable. I would hate to be a support person for Windows. As Dell loses market share to Apple & OSX, I can see Dell starting to market their own, friendlier version of Red Hat. Then all it will take is one killer business app.

MacDuff 08/23/04 07:00:16 PM EDT

Hey moron! Try telling that to the entire industry that predominantly uses the Mac in their work. Do you realize that most of the porn you whack-off to was probably edited in Final Cut Pro. Are you aware of how significantly Final Cut Pro has been adopted in the industry?

The reality in the broadcast production industry is not how you see it, and with the 64 bit G5 companies like Silicon Graphics are in for a rough ride as more and more CG applications get ported to OS X.

Yes, there are less graphics cards available for the Mac. But its all being done on the HOST COMPUTER within these various programs, ya see. Although OS X uses the GPU for window redraws (something Windows users won't benefit from until "Glass" comes as part of Longhorn... when??) So, even though the selection of GPUs on the Mac platform is weaker, Apple is doing MORE with their resources than Windows has. This is just one of the advantages of the platform that I value (that being Apple's resourcefulness and innovation).

As for gaming? Sure! If I was into gaming hardcore, I'd get a PC. NO QUESTION. As it is, I play Medal of Honor, LOTR Return of The King and several other games of note on my Mac, and it fills my bill. But NEWS FLASH: not everybody uses computers the same way, and not everybody sees the world ONE way or YOUR way. You trying to dismiss the ENTIRE Mac platform on one or two points (one of which is pretty irrelevant) is weak, biased and lame.

And, if it is one guy posting under all these different "names" ("economic rationalist", "apple is the enemy of computing", "Macs are bad", etc.) you are a coward -- and very lame.

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iCreate turd 08/23/04 06:41:54 PM EDT

Creative professiona on the mac-haha
you can't even get a professional graphics card for the mac(fireGL,quaddro,wildcat)-and moreover all mac graphic cards are the toy gaming cards 9600's,fx5200's and they are all clocked at a lower speeds than their pc counterparts- i guess mac users have to toy around at lower speeds and also usually with half the mb on the cards.As for the "masses"well doom 3 is a fine example of where graphics cards are being bundled with the game-doom 3 will not run with "intergrated" graphics.Oh that's right doom 3 isn't even out for the mac-you can't even be a kiddy user on the mac.

MacDuff 08/23/04 06:53:24 AM EDT

With built-in Ethernet, Firewire and USB, what else would a consumer typically need? How many consumers in reality actually use those PCI slots? I know I do, but I'm a creative professional. For "the rest of us"? Far less than you'd think, I suspect :)

We're talking the masses who buy Dells with Intel's integrated "extreme" graphics, here (shared main memory). And all Macs have AGP with a legit GPU in them.

Now, about that integrated monitor, however... :-(

Whatever 08/23/04 06:07:32 AM EDT

The sad thing about apple is that they have probably HMHO What is the bet unix implementation that I have ever seen. I use OS X as my secondary machine because we support apples, and I have linux running in a VMware VM on my Dell pc to take care of other support issues. The only problem is that you can only get it on Apples proprietary hardware which no matter how you slice and dice it costs an arm and a leg (for the real machines that is - IF you want one of the closed box (i.e. no PCI slots) toy macs, you can buy into OS X for a semi reasonable price.

If linux had the ease of use of OS X, M$ would get a run for its money. Otherwise, forget it for Linux as a home OS for the time being. One can only hope that the Linux gurus will some day wake up and take a close look at why M$ is where it is (it is'nt just because of predatory practices) and then make the achingly few changes that will be needed for things to really start moving.

Mao Tse-Tung 08/23/04 12:56:28 AM EDT

??? macinstosh

Fidel Castro 08/23/04 12:51:22 AM EDT

Deje esta gente decente sola. Si usted no lo hace atacaré a su red. ¿Usted me comprendió? Todo el mundo le encanta el Macintosh.

Linus Torvalds 08/23/04 12:44:13 AM EDT

I support Macs. Leave these decent people alone or I will personally infect your machine.

MacDuff 08/22/04 07:26:56 PM EDT

Well, good luck on your Mission from God. Sounds a lot like the Spanish Conquestadors. But, the fact of the matter is that Linux is still too raw for the mainstream end-user's desktop and may never reach the level of refinement that OS X and even Windows has (which isn't to say it won't gain more share; it'll just be a different kind of "difficult" than Windows is for those misguided, casual users stupid enough to listen to you.

This is one twit who is quite happy being a Mac user. Sorry we don't measure up, whoeverthehellyouare.

mac=turd 08/22/04 06:30:44 PM EDT

Sorry MacDuff but you don't understand-apple is one of the worst companies and it is my duty to inform people when some "jehovah evangelist" shows up.Mac=bad, simple, short and sweet.Who cares what macs are getting done-they are just plain evil and the company behind them is just a bunch of pathetic liars(eg-apple had to withdraw the quake 3 scores off their website-because they flat out lied about the fps scores compared to a dell (dull)pc).Fundamentalist apple communist twit users are just that and will always be just that

MacDuff 08/19/04 09:54:29 PM EDT

What a bunch of anti-Apple bullshit you guys are flinging. Ten tons of IGNORANT bias. No platform is perfect (and do tell me what you hate about Linux, please), but you guys have to get some of your facts straight before you can poop all over the platform. And ya know what? I aint gonna bother even trying to peel yer eyeballs open. Been here before, and you don’t like to accept it. Meanwhile, there are other more prominent Linux users who have peeled their eyeballs open (Moshe Barr, Simon Kozens in the U.K. -- and "PC luminaries" like Taco and whathisface at Slashdot and also Anand at Anandtech) who have excercised some objecitivity to see what the Mac platform has going for it. The result? They've added Macs to their computer usage and they dig them. They've got the objectivity to not only ciriticize the platform for legitimate reasons but also to appreciate it as well. Do you??

Also, keep in mind that not all platforms are suited for all needs and users, and there's no law -- nor should there be -- saying that you MUST be a geek to use a computer. For millions and millions of people in this world, the opinions of some NICHE hardcore Linux dudes is completely irrelevant (you think Macs are “niche”? You should think about how “niche” the ubergeek market segment is!). You can bleat on about how Macs suck, while they're gettting work done and not having to recompile the wheel, if you get my meaning.

buddhist 08/19/04 07:22:47 PM EDT

Blind mac evangelists like jose do nothing for the platform except prove that apple users are just a bunch of religious fundamentalists.I'm just glad that the platform i use doesn't screw me over like apple seems to do to it's customers with hardware and software-apple would have you believe that the sky is yellow.Funny thing is money talks and bull*hit walks, and apple has been walking for oh so long. Just wait soon the mac evangelists will start recruiting from macaddict forums and macworld forums to help their arguments.Apple all in all smell rotten

macs are bad 08/19/04 05:58:39 PM EDT

Yes apple provide lots of choices-want to video edit-choose from three packages(from apple),want to play the latest game(doom 3)-get stuffed i can write it myself,.It's really funny when people consider less than a handful of apps a complete solution and full of choice-wheres premiere for the mac,where's framemaker,wheres sonar,wheres the latest game(....insert title here),wheres the professional graphics cards,wheres a complete 7.1 sound solution....., where's three internal drive bays,where's raid 5?Oh apple's selling MUSIC are they-with gore on their board it's not worth squat-they are selling artists out to fundamentalism. The productivity thing is shallow and garbage-anyone can be productive on anything(an atari st can bring out productivity).Fact is apple can't be too good when they lost out to a company like microsoft with their inferior products, people voted with their wallets and people are still voting with their wallets-just look at how poor g5 sales are-people know apple stands for bad rubbish.Elegance? theres nothing elegant about having to pay for all those software updates for an os which came out as a beta and apple charged for-reliability??just look at what the above apple dealer in australia is doing to users-that's reliability??Oh that's right AMWAY own a considerable stake in apple-speaks volumes. You can take your totalitarian apple company and make sauce out of it, i hope it rots jose.Apple is anti computing and anti choice.

MacDuff 08/19/04 12:51:36 AM EDT

Well said, Jose :)

Jose L. Hales-Garcia 08/19/04 12:43:49 AM EDT

"...because when you buy a mac you have no choice..."

Choice is only one aspect of computing, and arguably an illusory one. Productivity is another. You can keep all the hardware and Linux variations and combinations under the sun. I'll take the elegance, reliability and ease of use which keeps me focused on being productive. Just because you like building your computers and I don't is no reason to be intolerant of each other. We just enjoy different aspects of computers.

I got a lot of work done today and I'm greatful to Apple for providing me with some of the tools that helped me accomplish them. Any tools they didn't provide I could have built from source or written myself. On software at least no one can make the claim that Macs don't provide choices.

apple is the enemy of computing 08/18/04 10:38:22 PM EDT

The best thing apple could do is just go away forever.If apple was the dominant company selling computers i can safely say that the internet would be tiny-no one would be able to afford a computer to get on the net, comments like the one i read above"we want to sell computers to bmw buyers...", just reinforces how lame apple is as a company, they deserve to fade away.Ditching my mac was the best thing- at last i can use a computer - and have CHOICE- apple is anti choice, because when you buy a mac you have no choice- just a handful of "apple communist" applications-imagine if you had kids and a mac-your kids would kill you because they could get NOTHING to satisfy their gaming urges- hell just try buying a PROFESSIONAL GRAPHICS CARD for the mac- i'm not talking game cards like the x800 or 6800/9800xt but nvidia quaddro, ati fire gl, wildcat cards- oh sorry apple is just for general consumers not professionals- toy computers at premium prices, and toy users with "amway" mentality.My take on linux is Apple is like a totalitarian regime like microsoft/stalinist russia, whereas linux is a free democratic nation- after all isn't al gore on the board of apple?remember what his wife tipper gore tried to do to popular music in the late 80's- remember the WASHINGTON WIVES and the PMRC(parents music resource centre)- i think groups like u2,madonna,wasp ozzy osbourne would certainly remember tipper- i think the phrase "al gore and tipper gore/pmrc/washington wives" speaks volumes of horrible apple.

Jose L. Hales-Garcia 08/16/04 10:54:37 AM EDT

Intolerance is nothing new. Instead of vitriol toward Apple why don't you share the great things you are doing with Linux. A more favorable impression toward Linux couldn't be made. Waiting for Apple to go out of business are you? That's pretty funny. I hope you're not charging your boss for the time you're spending on this pipe dream.

economic rationalist 08/15/04 11:00:43 PM EDT

HOORAY FOR ZARDOZ.Personally i got frustrated with apples hardware-g5 pro machine with 2 internal drive bays-what a bad joke, as for the sound BLECHHH-TWO CHANNEL STEREO JOKE. I didn't bother retaining my apple machines- just gave apple the flick and switched to a pc runin linux-windows is good for only games.As for that comment regarding the apple centres in canberra-VERY BAD i have heard about the managers practice of exchanging internal components for older lower specced ones from many people- but then again many apple users never open up their machines, or even know the mhz, so it is their own fault partly, if apple sellers are doing this how can you trust such a dishonest company that screws its users over.It'll be a cold day in hell when i buy my next mac.
PS. apple should just sell their os for x86, at least no one will buy it and they'll go out of business quicker.

Doppelganger 08/14/04 05:05:57 PM EDT

fyi, X11 is the server for graphic desktops. it is not itself clunky, some desktops on it are. For the Mac users about, I suggest looking into gnome for the more Mac-ish experience. And with a properly configured box (which I'll grant is the biggest problem with linux), you won't notice all the complicated bits and entrails below that spiffy desktop

Jose L. Hales-Garcia 08/13/04 02:57:45 AM EDT

According to Apple death reports there is no market share left to take from Apple.

But Mac is a fun and inclusive operating system. It is so simple to use and does cool things like iTunes, iPhoto, iMovie, GarageBand, stream to Airport Express. I couldn't imaging using anything as complicated as Linux and as clunky as the X11 windows system for just doing things involving my family. There is an added bonus too. If my kids want to get into the nerdy stuff, Mac OS X has a complete UNIX system under the hood as well. It's reassuring to know that the terminal is there to teach them how a computer does all these wonderful things.

Zardoz 08/12/04 10:00:00 PM EDT

No mac user would switch to linux eh?I did and i must say things can't be better- no longer do i have to worry about spending australian $229 on every update to os X(considering there have been 4 updates), the whole Philosophy of linux is what i love(apple and microsoft are as evil as each other-apple worse"quote from apple centre Fyshwick-"we are only interested in selling machines to people who buy mercedes benz or BMW- if you don't have money go away"-funny considering that most musicians are poor and struggling and this is what their beloved apples philosophy is), new life has even been breathed into my old macs- something that apple wouldn't do with os X-can you say old powermac 8500 with pre-emptive multitasking/memory protection apple?Damn you and all your blind evangerlists to hell apple(good one mr peemoeller-you know who you are, and mr hogg what a dishonest businessman you are-switching mac innards for lower spec parts-really).

tsteele 08/12/04 07:07:07 PM EDT

None of this really matters. I still don't understand why Linux users want to dis the Mac so much. The fight is against Windows, and both platofrms should join forces. Besides, the Mac OS is a very slick implementation of FreeBSD. If you want to supplant Windows, you need to design something as easy to install and use as the Mac on top of Linux. Do that, and it will be just Apple hardware with MacOS and PC hardware with Linux. Windows will die out as it rots in infamy like the Romans and the Greeks!

Jin Ho 08/12/04 06:24:36 PM EDT

Well, it's just hype for now. There are many ways to calculate sales (or marketshare). One of the *easiest* way to measure is by "sales-in" numbers (sales from product vendors to distributors). Using this approach, the market research companies or the product vendors sums up all the units that's shipped and stored in distributor/retailer warehouse (like Walmart's), rather than *sold-through* to consumers.

However after a few months, if the "sales through" (also called "sales out") numbers are low... meaning if no consumers bought the units, the whole shipment can be returned back to the vendors. This return or stock balancing are usually not reported. Worsestill, some companies have problems with "fake" sales moving between the vendor and the distributors (channel stuffing), and they don't amount to any real use.

A similar measurement foul-up happened to Nokia's Engage portable game console. We see different parties claiming different numbers because they measure different things.

So just chill out, ask where the numbers come from, how is it measured before jumping to any conclusion.

As far as I'm concerned, Windows is still #1, Mac is still the coolest, and Linux is still the most "free". 8^)

MacDuff 08/12/04 03:33:56 PM EDT

Apple's "share" always gets confused and confuzzled (“confuzzled” is even more confusing than the state of "confused"). There is the QUARTERLY SALES MARKETSHARE measurement -- the percentage of computer sales in any given quarter and how many of those computers were Apple's, Dells, HP's, etc. And then, there is the percentage of INSTALLED BASE. In raw units, Apple is shipping more of just about all their computers than they have in years. This is great news. The problem is that their piece of the pie LOOKS smaller, because the PC guys are selling even MORE units than Apple — but Apple is selling more units than it did before. It’s a perception thing, and perception is rarely in tune with reality.

Apple's quarterly sales marketshare fluctuates EVERY QUARTER between 3 and 8 (or more) percent, depending on what you're measuring (laptop, desktop) and where (North America, Europe, Asia etc.). Their installed base, on the other hand, is estimated at about 10%; between 25 and 30 million users, worldwide. That's counting brand spanking new G5 systems, right down to an aging but operational Performa 5200 (of which Apple sold TONS of to schools in the mid 90’s pre-Jobs’ return).

And I am part of that installed base. I bought OS X Panther last year, upgraded to the Logic Audio Pro music production suite, have purchased several game titles, am contemplating the new Office upgrade -- and have sunk about CAN$1,500.00 into upgrading my five year old G4 Powermac, which now has 2GB RAM, an ATI 9000 GPU, 72 and 120GB internal drives, a Pioneer 8X intenal DVDRW and a dual 1.3GHz G4 processor upgrade. On top of that, I also purchased TWO 17" NEC flat panels for it. All togther, I guess I have probably spent about CAN$4,000.00 in the past eight months on hardware and software upgrades. All that, but I didn't buy a new Mac last quareter, nor have I bought a new Mac since 1995. Regardless, that's a fair chunk of dough coming from one end-user, and even EA Games got a blip or three on their Mac sales from my game purchases (via Aspyr; the Mac company that ports many EA Games and other titles to the Mac). So, that has to account for something, no matter what platform one uses. But, in counting how many units Apple moved last quarter compared to the other guys, that $4,000.00 doesn’t count. That’s unfair to any platform, and is why quarterly marketshare is innacurate. And yet, it is completely taken as the defining measurment of a platform’s health... and that’s a crying shame.

mike 08/12/04 03:19:16 PM EDT

definitely linux is about windows alternatives..no one would switch from Mac OS to linux...but linux share should be rising for the same reason windows share is so high.. people buy new computers every 2, 3 years as opposed to every 3, 4 with a Mac. Analyst Paul Thurrott said he's gets a new *ahem $400 Del every YEAR...

Let's talk about installed base, not marketshare.. Apple has 25 million loyal users.. how many does Linux have? Because in the real world, in the homes where the real people live.. Linux does not yet exist.

anonymous 08/12/04 11:41:44 AM EDT

Have you heard of the windows starter edition? It is aimed at third world countries(significantly cheaper), and microsoft recently announced that it would inlude more nations. Although more distros are charging their customers for the software itself plus updates/support, linux nonetheless is free. However because of compatibility, ease of use/familiar interface, and most of all OEM distribution, windows is going to be OS of choice.

So for your information, windows is not going to be knocked out in fareast asia.