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Tim Bray
Brief description: One of the prime movers of XML, now with Sun
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Described recently as "a perennial figure of the Web," Tim Bray's typical bio is frighteningly full of accomplishment: He was manager of the New Oxford English Dictionary Project at the University of Waterloo, a co-editor of the XML spec, co-founder of Open Text Corporation, and is the founder and CTO of Antarctica Systems. He is a member of the W3C Consortium's Technical Architecture Group, which serves an architectural oversight function for the Web. As James Horner has observed: "To put it simply, his efforts change the way we work with, and perceive, information."
Bray blogs enthusiastically, and recently joined Sun as Director of Web Technologies.
While most people regard .NET as the chief threat to Java's status as the de-facto standard basis for large-scale software development, Bray - ever the contrarian - argues that rather it is the family of dynamic or "scripting" languages such as Python and Groovy that will inevitably occupy a larger and larger piece of the software-development universe. He believes that this trend is "impossible to resist, and that this is potentially a good thing for Java."
Closely involved in the world's most successful XML vocabulary, "RSS", which is used for news syndication, Bray is co-chair of the IETF "Atom" project which is designed to be its future.
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Fuzzy 12/11/04 10:49:41 AM EST | |||
Rick Adams - Bnews |
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Rafael Ebron 12/11/04 10:47:04 AM EST | |||
How about Brendan Eich, the inventor of JavaScript (probably the most widely used programming language), and also the Chief Architect of the Mozilla Project. He should easily be in the top 20. |
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robert 12/11/04 10:38:50 AM EST | |||
Can't have a "Top x Software People" without Larry Wall... 20, or even 40, must be too small a number. |
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Talking of female geeks 12/11/04 10:37:51 AM EST | |||
Grace Hopper beats anyone on this list, frankly. There's more COBOL doing more real work right now (like debiting and crediting your bank accounts) than, say, Turbo Pascal and C#. (Come on.) And that's decades after her innovation. |
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rxmd 12/11/04 10:33:06 AM EST | |||
<>Lovelace was the mathematician who worked with Charles Babbage and invented the first computer programming language. We should all have remembered her since there's even a Pascal-descended language named after her today, Ada. Charles Babbage's Difference Engine isn't really that much about programming, in spite of the book by Gibson/Sterling. His Analytical Engine is more like it, but this one never got built, being too complex for mid-19th-century mechanics. Calling Ada Lovelace the first programmer is a bit off, too. She wrote a translation of Babbage's work along with a commentary on how to build the Analytical Engine, including some notes on how it might be programmed, but then, the machine she's supposed to have been programming didn't even exist. Even though her work wasn't really that influential in the long run (similar to Babbage's), she was one of the first to actually reflect on how such a machine might be programmed, though. And she was probably the first female geek in recorded history. ;) |
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grabity 12/11/04 10:33:06 AM EST | |||
It seems to me that starting the list at 100 or 80 may have been more appropriate. Wozniak, Jobbs, Gates, Ellison, Knuth, The GoF. We're standing on the shoulders of giants. In fact, why even narrow it to 20. None of us would do what we do today without the forefathers of the industry. I think its great that we're recognizing some of them. But how do you say that there were 20 who were more important than the rest. |
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Lee Brody 12/11/04 10:30:59 AM EST | |||
Ok, so what's Bill Gates?? Chopped liver??? All you assholes are basically working in the computer industry because of him and a few other pioneers that saw the writing on the wall back in the late 70's. Isn't is amazing how success breeds contempt! Talk about the continuing 'dumbing down' of America! Lee Brody |
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datadriven 12/11/04 10:29:44 AM EST | |||
Patrick Volkerding isn't on the list, but Klaus Knopper is? WTF? |
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Henrik S. Hansen 12/11/04 10:26:00 AM EST | |||
Jamie Zawinski deserves a nomination. Among many other things, he was instrumental in the creation of Lucid Emacs (now XEmacs), bringing many innovations to the Emacs world. Eric Raymond (however controversial) definitely also deserves to be in the list. |
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Exter-C 12/11/04 10:24:41 AM EST | |||
At the end of the day there is no way there is a Top 20. There has been so much good and bad software written some bad software even has been very innovative and often has features/taken stolen from it for better future software products. Where is the top 100 software programmers.. that would at least be more including and give a better all round result of the industry |
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jon crowcroft 12/11/04 10:22:55 AM EST | |||
people that wrote stuff we all use: len bosack - cisco IOS; van jacobson & other berkeley folk - the TCP stack; linus torvalds & alan cox: linux etc; the apache folks; the people that keep netscape going. who wrote matlab? kazaa? frankly, the article has a list of people who are already well known for marketing, but not for lines of working workaday, ultra-dependable, code that we can use and build other things on. |
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well 12/11/04 10:16:48 AM EST | |||
where is Diksrta and Father of TeX, well, I forgot his name :) |
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lilnoyd 12/11/04 10:14:09 AM EST | |||
Wheres linus? |
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Chris Holmes 12/11/04 09:58:32 AM EST | |||
No, Bill Gates' work is _not_ highly derivative. The man crammed an entire BASIC interpreter into the TRS-80 Model 100 (one of the first laptops ever built) and fit it in a 32K rom. Gates is a phenomenally brilliant programmer. People just have a problem with his business ethics. |
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lance berc 12/11/04 09:57:16 AM EST | |||
Ok, you can include everyone, but to omit Butler Lampson is really something. Inventor of Ethernet (along w/Thacker, Boggs, and Metcalf) And you didn't include Don Knuth, either. Have you no shame? |
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julesh 12/11/04 09:44:23 AM EST | |||
sandbar sally commented: okay, I know this isn't going to be a very popular comment on this site but, seriously, how does any list of this type not include Bill Gates? Or is this just a list of the "top 20 software people who we like"? Gates' programming work is all highly derivitive. He mainly worked on MS's BASIC interpreter, I believe. Nothing brilliant. You'll note, however, that Dave Cutler, author of the Windows NT kernel (and thus Win2K and WinXP by extension) _is_ on the list. That's software to the people. |
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Pathetic Coward 12/11/04 09:42:03 AM EST | |||
The only reason to have Ann Winblad is to piss off Bill Gates - his ex-girlfriend is here; he isn't. |
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anon 12/11/04 09:36:44 AM EST | |||
aur?lien commented: Knuth, like a lot of these "top twenty", are just Ivory Tower academics with no real applications in industry. Where is Bill Gates? He bought computing to the people. Whoever made VB should also be mentioned. |
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pjt33 12/11/04 09:35:04 AM EST | |||
So what about Martin Richards, who designed the <>BCPL Cintcode System? |
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binary42 12/11/04 09:32:40 AM EST | |||
That and where is Yukihiro Matsumoto? I would be nowhere today without the three scripting language fathers. Oh well... the list would be too long as there are many more that i can think of. |
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PerlBarley 12/11/04 09:31:42 AM EST | |||
Spot on, trinity93: Larry Wall's an open-source hero for developing Perl |
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trinity93 12/11/04 09:30:07 AM EST | |||
Who ever wrote this list is on crack if they are gona omit Larry Wall |
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andrew 12/11/04 09:13:26 AM EST | |||
yep. no Steele... no Knuth... come on! |
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Sean 12/11/04 09:11:19 AM EST | |||
W. Richard Stevens and Douglas Comer: TCP/IP gurus. |
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Hehehe 12/11/04 09:10:41 AM EST | |||
Okay it's great that Dijkstra is here, remembered by one of the many posters to this thread. But it's worth including him not just for his contributions to the development of compilers but also for his wonderful contrarian comments, like this one about OO: "Object-oriented programming is an exceptionally bad idea which could only have originated in California." |
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Trinity 12/11/04 09:07:59 AM EST | |||
What About Lary Wall? Perl is in more use than just about any programing laungage in the world! |
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aurélien 12/11/04 08:43:41 AM EST | |||
Well, what about Guy L. Steele of Maclisp, Scheme, Common Lisp and Java fame ? It's quite unbelievable that nobody mentions him ! Also : Donald Knuth of "The Art of Computer Programming" fame. |
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Rüdiger Klaehn 12/11/04 08:41:36 AM EST | |||
What about john backus? Not only did he invent fortran, he also pioneered functional programming. So he has a big influence on the oldest and most very modern languages. If he is not in there, the whole thing is a joke. |
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FORTRAN's missing 12/11/04 08:27:42 AM EST | |||
How about John Backus, inventor (with IBM) if FORTRAN - the first successful high level programming language |
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EWd 12/11/04 06:20:39 AM EST | |||
As Amitava pointed out in an earlier post, the Dutch computing scientist ought to be in this Top Twenty. Edsger W. Dijkstra died in 2002 aged 72 but we all remember him for his contributions to the development of compilers - and also for his memorable run-in with Harry D. Huskey, inventor of the SWAC. He won a Turing Award in '72, and it was then that he said: "The competent programmer is fully aware of the strictly limited size of his own skull; therefore he approaches the programming task in full humility, and among other things he avoids clever tricks like the plague." Wonderful man. |
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Remembering Ada 12/11/04 04:12:36 AM EST | |||
there should maybe be a separate, parallel list of The Most Fundamental Software People in the World - that's where TBL belongs I think, along with folks like someone you've all forgotten: Augusta Ada Byron King, Countess of Lovelace - known widely as just "Ada Lovelace." Lovelace was the mathematician who worked with Charles Babbage and invented the first computer programming language. We should all have remembered her since there's even a Pascal-descended language named after her today, Ada. |
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Apple-eater 12/11/04 03:59:33 AM EST | |||
"The Woz" was a good omission to pick up on, Stephen P. One look at www.woz.org is enough to remind anyone: Steve gave out schematics and code listings of what was in effect the protoype of the first Apple in 1974 - he'd designed a terminal of his own in order to access the Arpanet. |
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Mike M 12/10/04 10:56:04 PM EST | |||
I think Nat Friedman of (ximian) should be included and 'twould be shameful to not include him in the poll. |
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Stephen P 12/10/04 07:01:27 PM EST | |||
How about the fathers of the Internet (ARPANET) -- Vint Cerf "father of the internet" and Bob Metcalfe (creator of Ethernet) are pretty well known names; Doug Englebart (http://www.ibiblio.org/pioneers/englebart.html) not so widely known but amazingly ahead of times. See "Internet Pioneers" (http://www.ibiblio.org/pioneers/) for brief biographies. We wouldn't be casting this vote online if not for these people. P.S. sandbar sally - Gates should be on a list of top 20 marketing geniuses, but he personally has done very little to advance computing. I'd put Steve Wozniak on the list instead. |
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Amitava 12/10/04 06:22:23 PM EST | |||
What a shame ! A list of software people with names of Tim O'Reilly, Danny Hillis, Jean Paoli in them but without the likes of Backus, Brooks, Codd, Dijkstra, Hopper . . . ? |
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Rob Verschoor 12/10/04 06:13:08 PM EST | |||
Where's Edsger Dijkstra -- inventor of the semaphore? |
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sandbar sally 12/10/04 05:49:28 PM EST | |||
okay, I know this isn't going to be a very popular comment on this site but, seriously, how does any list of this type not include Bill Gates? Or is this just a list of the "top 20 software people who we like"? |
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Relationality 12/10/04 03:01:41 PM EST | |||
For my money this 'Top Twenty' is going to be lacking something if it doesn't include the Father of Relational Databases, Ted Codd. Dr Edgar F. Codd is one of the great names in computing. In 1969 he circulated an internal paper within IBM on an idea for improving databases by combining set theory, the concept of "tables" (called "relations" in some circles), and related mathematics. The idea was further developed and published in 1970 to become one of the greatest research papers in computer history. |
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Kay No WaaaYYY 12/10/04 12:41:56 PM EST | |||
I disagree. Alan Kay is a failure and an over the hill has-been. While Smalltalk was revolutionary, it failed to revolutionize anything. And even after 20 years, the Dynabook still doesn't exist. What has Alan done since Smalltalk? What's he done in the past 20 years? Alan has reimplemented Smalltalk in the Squeak project. Wow! |
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SqueakSmalltalk 12/10/04 12:39:32 PM EST | |||
Never mind Charles Babbage, what about- in modern times - the inventor of Smalltalk, Alan Kay. Didn't he originally coin the term "Object-Oriented"? and also the phrase "The best way to predict the future is to invent it" - He even did something at Disney: he led the Squeak project. (http://www.squeak.org) He developed the e-toys and the others developed all the support software. He is one of the top 20 software people in the world, for sure. |
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Babbageer 12/10/04 12:31:19 PM EST | |||
Going even further back, I wonder where Charles Babbage would fit in this list? He was Lucasian Professor of Mathematics at Cambridge in 1828 (the Chair held by Isaac Newton and - somewhat more recently - by Stephen Hawking), and without his 'calculating machines' we'd none of us be joining in this online discussion nesrly 180 years later! |
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Silly Billy 12/10/04 10:01:37 AM EST | |||
Did anyone notice: no one nominated a certain "chief software architect" of a biggish company based in the north-west. Interesting ;-) |
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Paul Wright 12/10/04 09:55:17 AM EST | |||
Funny... I couldn't vote for father of Java or father of C# & Turbo Pascal compiler. It appears that the URL isn't properly formed. Just a bug I'm sure. |
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USA vs Rest of the World 12/10/04 06:18:47 AM EST | |||
this looks a lot like an mostly-american team to me. It would be a nice story to talk about the twenty best all-americans, but it's not the point That's far from the case. Both Anders Hejlsberg (C#) and Bjarne Stroustrup (C++) are as Danish as Hans Christian Andersen. Klaus Knopper (Knoppix) is German, Jean Paoli (XML/Microsoft) is French, and of course Linus Torvalds is from Finland. Alan Turing, the father of it all, computer science itself and AI, was British. That software developers gravitate toward the USA is one thing; but that's where the action has been for 40 years. For even longer, in Turning's case. |
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Thierry Coq 12/10/04 05:58:57 AM EST | |||
Other omissions : Two comments : |
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Eanna Butler 12/10/04 04:56:38 AM EST | |||
What about the old school, the true pioneers: George Boole, von Neumann, Atanasoff, Cecil Green, Ada Lovelace, Donald Knuth, Herman Hollerith, Clocksin, Mellish, Howard Aiken, Seymore Cray... |
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Where's Marc A.? 12/09/04 07:17:44 PM EST | |||
Can the era the era that Netscape helped launch, and which catapulted Marc Andreessen into the pantheon of late 20th-century geek superstars, really be so far away now that NO ONE even thought to nominate him for this poll in the 21st? Seems like 50 years ago now, but really it's not. |
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How About Carl? 12/09/04 06:42:27 PM EST | |||
No software developer Top Twenty would be complete without mention of Carl Sassenrath - who wrote a new scripting language for computers called REBOL. |
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More Runners? 12/09/04 05:05:45 PM EST | |||
Adding to the ones who didn't get nominated but maybe ought to have been: how about Doug Englebart (of mouse fame), and Grace Murray Hopper (for COBOL)? |
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omission? 12/09/04 04:10:23 AM EST | |||
Cool list. No mention of though of Linus's No. 2 in the kernel group, Andrew Morton. |
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